Why we need a more open dialogue on race

Recorded during the early months of COVID-19 and amid the global resurgence of Black Lives Matter following the murder of George Floyd, Joanne Lockwood speaks with Gamal Turawa about why we need more open, honest dialogue about race.

Gamal shares reflections as a Black, openly gay, now-retired police officer and diversity and dignity facilitator, including how emotions like fear, anger and frustration can block meaningful conversation unless they are acknowledged and navigated. Together they explore privilege, what it means to be white, and the importance of moving from difference to empathy and then to dignity.

The conversation also touches on identity as multi-layered and not fixed, the harm of “colour-blind” language, and the responsibility to shift from being “not racist” to being actively anti-racist. Gamal recounts aspects of his lived experience, including being fostered, cultural dislocation, and reaching a point of suicidality before learning to define himself on his own terms.

They reflect on wider social context including Grenfell, Windrush, media stereotypes, statues and historical legacy, and why symbolic actions must be matched by systemic change. The episode closes with a focus on turning anger into constructive action and sustaining momentum for long-term progress.