--- title: "Dreams Into Action" episode: 202 date: 2026-03-27 guest: "Janet Tanguay" canonical: https://inclusionbites.co.uk/podcast/202-dreams-into-action audio: https://cdn.seech.uk/podcast/episodes/ibs-202/audio.mp3 --- # Dreams Into Action Joanne Lockwood is joined by business strategist and creative catalyst Janet Tanguay for a wide-ranging conversation about turning dreams into action through visioning, connection, and inclusive practice. Janet shares how her work as a “super connector” grew from years of supporting aspiring entrepreneurs, and how creating a safe, welcoming space helps people be more authentic about what they really want. Together they explore what vision boarding is, how it can be done physically or digitally, and why it works as a practical focus tool—especially when paired with other approaches like journalling, coaching questions, AI tools, sound, and creative collaboration. They discuss the realities of leaving employment for self-employment, breaking out of routine, building belief, and shifting from working in a business to working on it. The episode also looks at what inclusive empowerment requires in practice: knowing your audience, enabling choice and privacy in sharing, and ensuring people can see themselves reflected in the materials and imagery used. Janet shares lessons from working with a wide range of groups, highlighting how people’s dreams differ depending on their circumstances, and how creativity and community can help people move from surviving to thriving. ## Chapters - 00:00 — Introduction and Welcome - 01:30 — Inclusion Bites: Spark Change - 04:43 — The Hammock Way of Life - 09:12 — Self-Belief Drives Success - 11:05 — Global Vision Board Coaching Network - 13:27 — Innovative Vision Boarding Methods - 18:22 — Bank Job Gone Wrong - 19:54 — Understanding Audience Drives Connection - 22:58 — Inclusive Opportunities and Representation - 26:15 — Tangway Productions' First Record - 29:31 — Creative Collaboration in Music Making - 33:32 — Rock Star Dreams Unfulfilled - 36:42 — Credibility Beyond Connections - 40:57 — Challenging Personal Biases - 42:26 — Curious About Group Formation - 47:57 — Global Influencer and Cultural Exploration - 49:54 — Life's Three Zones Analogy - 52:47 — Vision Board Music Tool - 56:13 — Fostering Inclusion Together ## Key takeaways - The process of using vision boards with neuroscience-backed techniques to clarify goals and manifest outcomes. - Strategies for overcoming limiting routines and creating space for authentic dreams and ambitions. - Methods for fostering inclusive environments, considering the diverse aspirations and lived experiences across communities. - Practical pathways for entrepreneurship, including the importance of working on your business rather than solely in it. - The role of meaningful connections and super connecting in building supportive ecosystems and personal fulfilment. - Creative ways to personalise visioning—using digital and physical tools, and integrating music, AI, and expressive arts. - Insights on bridging differences, reading the room, and challenging biases to enable genuine belonging and empowerment. ## FAQs ### What is vision boarding, and how does it support achieving one’s dreams? Vision boarding is a creative process where individuals assemble images, words, and symbols—either physically or digitally—to represent their aspirations, goals, and desired experiences. Janet Tanguay describes her approach as holistic, incorporating tools like AI, sound healing, and even business frameworks, tailored to the audience. The process helps individuals crystallise their ambitions, keeps goals present in daily life, and leverages neuroscience to “wire” the brain for achievement. --- ### How does vision boarding adapt to different backgrounds and needs? According to Janet Tanguay, understanding the audience is essential. She modifies her workshops to be inclusive, using methods such as cake boxes instead of poster boards for privacy, sourcing a diverse range of magazines and images to ensure representation, and adapting materials for people with different abilities and needs. Vision boards reflect Maslow’s hierarchy of needs—some focus on basic necessities while others dwell on aspirational goals. --- ### Is vision boarding only for artists or creative people? No, vision boarding is for everyone. Janet Tanguay insists that every person carries creativity within them—whether expressed through art, writing, or other mediums. The process can be adapted using digital tools like Canva, Pinterest, or AI-generated imagery, making it accessible regardless of traditional artistic skills. --- ### How does Janet Tanguay define her role as a ‘super connector’? Janet Tanguay describes herself as someone who builds bridges, linking people across backgrounds, professions, and experiences. She thrives on facilitating connections that foster growth and opportunity, using mind mapping and the “circle of influence” to nurture her network. It’s about sharing, genuine relationship-building, and allowing collaboration to create a mutually beneficial environment. --- ### What challenges do people face when transitioning to entrepreneurship? Both Janet Tanguay and Joanne Lockwood discuss the “leap” into entrepreneurship as daunting, with hurdles like losing job security and benefits, especially in places with expensive healthcare. Self-belief, overcoming fear, and adjusting habits are key. The initial years require disciplined effort, “working on the business, not just in it”, and finding the right support. Both recommend focusing on passion and purpose—if it feels too much like a ‘job', it’s less likely to succeed. --- ### How do dreams differ across marginalised or underrepresented communities? Janet Tanguay shares that vision boards from staff working with unhoused individuals, or young people in foster care, often emphasise basic needs—food, safety, belonging—rather than travel or luxury. The aspirations of each group reflect their current realities, illustrating the importance of meeting individuals “where they are”, recognising their varying definitions of success and happiness. --- ## Transcript Joanne Lockwood: Welcome to Inclusion Bites, your sanctuary for bold conversations that spark change. I'm Joanne Lockwood, your guide on this journey of exploration into the heart of inclusion, belonging and societal transformation. Ever wondered what it truly takes to create a world without? Remember, everyone not only belongs, but thrives. You're not alone. Join me as we uncover the unseen, challenge the status quo and share storeys that resonate deep within. Ready to dive in? Whether you're sipping your morning coffee or winding down after a long day, let's connect, reflect and inspire action together. Don't forget, you can be part of the conversation too. Reach out to jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk to share your insights or to join me on the show. So adjust your earbuds and settle in. It's time to ignite the spark of inclusion with Inclusion Bites. And today is episode 202 with the title Dreams into Action. I have the absolute honour and privilege to welcome Janet Tanguay. Janet is a powerhouse business strategist and creative catalyst who helps people turn sparks of inspiration to tangible success through visioning, connection and inclusive entrepreneurial ecosystems. When I asked Janet to describe her superpower, she said that it is being a super connector and joy filled cheerleader who helps others manifest their dreams. Hello, Janet. Welcome to the show. Janet Tanguay: I'm delighted to be here, Jo. Thanks for having me. Pleasure. I Joanne Lockwood: guessing from the accent you're not in the uk. Whereabouts in the world are you? Janet Tanguay: I'm in upstate New York, which is about two and a half hours north of New York City in a town called Schenectady. Well, I think, as we Joanne Lockwood: discussed in the Green Room, my knowledge of the US is it's largely north, south, east and west. There's not a lot of granular in there. So is that rural city, is it? Yeah, it's sort of, I would say Janet Tanguay: suburban. So we are about three hours from Montreal and three hours from Boston and so it's, it's not as busy as those cities, but it's nice to be able to travel to all of them. Yeah. Joanne Lockwood: Nip across the Canadian border for a bit of. Absolutely, Janet Tanguay: yeah. I have some Canadian roots, actually. I'm part Abenaki Indian and so I have a tribal card and so I visit the reservation and. Wow. Okay, now we didn't talk about that. In Joanne Lockwood: agreement. Sure. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. So you are a. A descendant of First Nation, are you? Yes, Janet Tanguay: Abnaki. The Abnaki tribe. And they're presumably east coast based. Joanne Lockwood: They're not all over the. Yeah, mostly Canada based, Janet Tanguay: but A few are in New York and Vermont, so. And that's where I grew up, in Vermont, which is a state over from New York. Joanne Lockwood: Wow. So you have a lot of tribal heritage and culture that you have there, is it? I do. My great grandmother Janet Tanguay: was 100% Abnaki, and so, yeah, and it's a lovely heritage. So I've been, like you said, to the reservation, to the sweat lodges, and apparently I have access to an acre of land in Canada should I ever decide to move to the reservation. Wow, that's fascinating. That's fast. Joanne Lockwood: Wow, that's beautiful. Beautiful. I don't think I've ever met anybody with First Nation heritage before. That's great. Okay, cool. So we're chatting away in the green room about the fact you're a super connector and the fact you help others manifest their dreams. What first drew you to that? Where does this spark of inspiration came from? What drew you into that? This world? Yeah. So for about 13 years, I Janet Tanguay: helped people start new businesses. We had a chamber of commerce, and so there were lots of different people in the room, from GEDs to PhDs. And so I learned about all different kinds of cultures and ethnicities and really brought together people all have the same dream of starting a business. And so we really all worked together and it was about the business and people had similar dreams. I realised that people. People's dreams are mostly around the same things, you know, and so I just became intrigued by it all. And I really wanted to create an inclusive, safe place where my job was just to hold space for people to be their authentic selves. And so that's where my love of this started. And then being in that classroom, every once in a while, we'd have a speaker come in and I would be sitting at the table and they would say, what's your dream? Where do you want to be in five years and in your business? And I've always had a side hustle. For a while I had an art business and. And I helped people get into galleries and private collections and things like that. But the more I was in the class, the more I thought I really should leap off full time into something full time. And what would my dream be? And so I started saying, well, my dream is to be in a hammock more often. And so it became a running joke. And so when I decided to start my business, the class said, you should call it the Hammock Way of Life. And so that's what I did. My business is called the Hammock Way of life because I Want to be in a hammock more often. And whatever people's dreams are, I try to help them live theirs as well. Beautiful, beautiful. I'm a great Joanne Lockwood: believer in the icky guy, which is the Japanese secret of a happy life, isn't it? And most people don't ever fill the fourth quadrant in which is do something you enjoy. You get stuck into this earning a living and you never actually step out of that, do you? I know the patterns and I was sort of in that Janet Tanguay: space, right. I'm tied into. I have to have health insurance. Health insurance is expensive here. And so, and so I kept getting locked into. I have to have a job. Leaving my job was the best thing that I ever did. I control my own destiny now and help others live their dreams. And so it really was, it's, you know, set that fear aside and get out of patterns and routines and all that was important. And now I can help. I other people do that as well. I don't think Joanne Lockwood: I've worked for anybody else properly and since the late 90s and I'm self confessed unemployable now, you know, I have run business, my own businesses. But that's different. When you are running your own business with people working for you, you're still working for yourself. And even though you are slave to a slave to your company, you are, you still have that ultimate power to decide whether I'm going to get up today or whether I'm going to stay at home today. You can, you can decide that no one's going to come and knock on your door other than your customers. Janet Tanguay: Right? Yeah. An important piece of that puzzle and the other sort of lesson that I learned is that when you're a business owner to work on your business, not in it. When I first started working, I was really working in my business as an employee to the customer, right. And so now it's more working on the business than in it. So trying to help, you know, make good connections and help other people. You know, I have some VAs that help me out. I have all independent contractors working with me who are so talented designers and things like that. So I'm not as in the business as on it now. It takes, it Joanne Lockwood: can take a while though to break the relationship between the harder I work, the more I make. Sometimes you have to, as you say, have to invest your time into thinking, you invest your time into development, invest your time into marketing or networking, whatever. Then when you're building your break even, you're building your cost model, you can't build a hundred percent cost model into working all the time. You can only really work 30, 40% if you're lucky. Yes, absolutely. Two Janet Tanguay: of my favourite books are the Four Hour Workweek. Tim Ferriss, I think wrote that book. And then Orbiting the Giant Hairball and that's a. Do you know that book? No. It's a great title though. It's very. I love it so much. So it's about this gentleman who was at a job and he realised that a lot of people were unhappy in their jobs and people kept coming into his office and talking about their problems and the work that they were doing and all that. And so he kind of self titled, he created a title for himself around creativity. I'm forgetting the title right now but so they would. He put up a little plaque on his door and people would come in and. And he created this beautifully creative space for them to come and talk about their problems. He created his own kind of job for himself around creativity. He'd give them creative solutions and all of that. And so the giant hairball is the corporation and he made his own path in that corporation. So. But, but you're right, once you sort of embrace entrepreneurship, it is hard to go back to work for anyone else. It's also quite scary that leap out though, isn't it? Joanne Lockwood: As you say, you are kind of handcuffed by your organisation for health care, bonuses and mortgage payments, all these sort of things. And family commitments. You think, can I risk everything on black and spin the wheel and see what happens? It takes, Janet Tanguay: right? It takes self belief. And I think the other thing that people forget about is that you can, you know, the first few years anyway, treat it like a job. You wake up in the morning and you sort of, you know, go to work. It's not like you have your own business. You can just sit back and do nothing. You still have to network, you still have to do the accounting work or hire someone to do that. So I think it's just, you know, you have to figure things out initially and if you believe in yourself and whatever it is your dream is and they're passionate about it and you're not doing it for someone else. Right. I've seen people do it for someone else and not themselves and that's when it usually fails. Yeah, Joanne Lockwood: that's the key thing, isn't it? You've got to find that spark. If it feels like work, it's not going to succeed, is it? It's got to, it's really got to feel vocational, it's got You've got a passion for it. It's got to. Because one of the things I've got is being self employed or working for yourself is you can work when you want, but the flip side of that is you have to work when you don't want. So you have to take those opportunities when you can. And sometimes you go, actually, I've got to do this, I don't want to, I gotta do this. Janet Tanguay: Right. But, and I, I'm at a point where my work feels like play. So I would do this even if I weren't getting paid for it. So I love what I do. I help other people live their dreams and so that to me is really fulfilling. I love being a cheerleader and watching other people, you know, attain their dreams and it always comes full circle. Somehow my dreams come true by helping other people. Right. It's really kind of cool. I'm with you on that. I would do a lot Joanne Lockwood: of what I do even if I didn't need the money, but I would do it differently. I'd be sitting here, I'd be in Malibu or something recording this podcast. Not, not in, not in the south of England, you know, I'd be in the south of France. I'd have a villa somewhere. So yeah, if I had unlimited money, I might still do the podcast, but it would be on my different terms. Different terms. Right, right, right, sure, yeah, I hear you Janet Tanguay: on that one. So, yeah, and, and the way I've had, I've worked with clients who, who make those things happen. Right. So I, I have a, one of the coaches and my network. So, so that's what I, I do, I, I, I do vision, I use vision boarding as a tool to help people's dreams come true. And so I get so busy with it that I, I have 50 right now trained and certified vision board coaches throughout the world. And so one of them decided that she wanted to travel. And so she is a photographer and she approaches resorts and says, can I do some vision boarding and I will photograph the grounds of your property for free. And I think she has a family member who works for an airline and so she gets some free tickets and so she travels all around the world. She was in Costa Rica recently and I think she's in Tulum now. So yeah, it's really kind of cool. I know some people who do this. Some of the Joanne Lockwood: influencers out there, they, they do a similar thing. They go to hotels and say, look, I'm an, I'm an influencer. I've got all these instagram followers. I'd like to come and spend some time at your resort, film it, do a little mini documentary. Would you give me free, free accommodation for a week? And they get, most times they go, yeah. And then you, they just travel around the world being an influencer. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And a lot of the hotels need to Janet Tanguay: fill, you know, they need to fill rooms. Right. So they, yeah, so they're, they're open to it for the most part. It's kind of that symbiotic relationship and Joanne Lockwood: the influencer gets a great venue somewhere to live and stay and have fun with and the venue gets some great marketing material and some authority to, I don't know, fifty hundred thousand followers or something that's going to absolutely showcase their product. And Janet Tanguay: that's the whole point of visioning, right, that it doesn't have to be expensive. You know, if you want a, a new car, go test drive the car. It costs nothing to test drive a car. Or if you want a new home, go to some open houses and start really dreaming of what it would be like for you to, to be there and, and feel into it and journal about it and, and all of that. So. But there can be low cost things that you can do that, you know, towards your dreams. So it's a bit like Joanne Lockwood: if you want to win the lottery, you have to buy a ticket, don't you? Janet Tanguay: Absolutely. Right, yes. Yeah. In other words, you've got all the hopes and dreams, but Joanne Lockwood: they're any of the potential. Exactly. Right, yeah, yeah, that's true. So what is vision boarding? You've mentioned it a couple of times and I've got a mental picture, but I'm not 100% sure what is it exactly. Sure, sure. Well, it's sort of the way we do vision Janet Tanguay: boarding is a little bit different because we bring in so many different tools around it now. So basically it's taking either if you do it tangibly with a poster, you have poster boards and magazines and glue sticks and you sort of sort through them and see what images appeal to you and around the things that you desire in life. And, and if you do it digitally, you can use things like Canva or Pinterest or Mural or things like that. And so we're taking vision boards boarding now and using AI tools in them. We also bring in sound healers and improv actors and business, business model canvas. And it just depends on what the client wants. And they're really great for team building, for staff appreciation, volunteer appreciation. People really want to focus people in jobs and People that maybe desire to be in their own business and have certain dreams don't take the time to really focus on them. And I think that's part of. The important part of what we do is that we. We allow people to take the time to really focus on what they want instead of just going through the grind every day. So it's creating a visual Joanne Lockwood: metaphor for an aspiration, a dream, a milestone or whatever you want to achieve. Bit like the coaching model. Where are we now? We're at 5. How do we get to 10? This is actually putting a picture against 10 or against 5, so we can say, ah, when I have 5, my house looks like this. When I have 10, my house looks like this. Right. That's what I'm aiming for. So it's helping people crystallise their vision. Yeah, yeah. And Janet Tanguay: there's a lot of neuroscience that backs it now, too. So when we have sceptics, and sometimes not everyone, but, you know, we've been in large engineering groups and insurance companies and things like that, they come in sceptically. Bankers, right. They maybe have seen people's dreams fall apart or something, but they come in a little bit sceptical. And so what happens is we show them that by looking at these pictures and words on a daily basis, it somehow wires your brain to be able to say, oh, this is coming to me. It's like, when. When have you ever, you know, purchased a new car and then you see it on the road everywhere. You never saw it before you wanted it, Right? So it's similar to that. So if you see it every day, somehow it manifests in your world. So. So keeping it at the forefront. And sometimes I forget I've had some things manifest in very different ways. One year I put a picture of a Buddha in the middle of my board. To me, that meant slow down, do some yoga, relax more. And I was sent to China on a trip and was at the. Found myself at the biggest Buddha temple in China. Be careful what you wish for on these boards. Another time, I put a picture of a car. I couldn't find the car that I wanted, so I put a picture of a different car. And I'm driving that car now. So it's funny how. How things manifest in. In very different ways. So it's not just social media Joanne Lockwood: listening to your conversations on your phone when you're chatting in the living room, and then suddenly you go onto Facebook and everything's got an advert for everything you've just talked about. That's a whole other. Yeah. That's a whole other Janet Tanguay: thing. That's a whole other spooky thing. Yeah, yeah. It's funny, though. And Joanne Lockwood: it does happen, though, doesn't it? Seems to, yeah, it does, yeah. I mean, it could just be this. A similar sort of brain phenomenon where you've. Cause you just talked about it, suddenly you notice it everywhere, as you said, right? Yeah, yeah. And Janet Tanguay: maybe you didn't notice it, Right. Maybe you just were saying it a lot and you didn't notice that. Right. It was going to. And then showing up in your feed. Yeah. Makes it. Makes it a reality. Right. A few years ago I Joanne Lockwood: noticed that we. I was going. I was driving around and I was driving down this road and then I saw this street name that it was. I. I don't know, I can't remember what it was. It was like David Close or something and I'd just been talking about a David and then suddenly I'm driving somewhere else and suddenly David there and then there's David there and then there's David there and I'm thinking, is there a glitch in the matrix or something? Is something sort of. Have I. Have I hit this deja vu moment where the matrix is glitched and suddenly now I'm seeing everything and. Yeah, yeah. So I would Janet Tanguay: say that's fine. That's a. That definitely follow the. You know, follow the signs. I always say, you know, that there's. There's some. I follow the signs all the. All the time and I actually get literal signs. So. So some people get them on licence plates or they might see a penny or a feather or something like that and I actually get literal signs that. That appear so. When I was. When I was younger, I was in the middle of transitioning from one job to another and I wasn't sure whether to take this job. And every day on the way to the gym, there was this fish fry place and it said, new sign coming soon. And it was up for two years, so the anticipation was really killing me. Right. So I finally. On the day that I kind of put out the request, you know, send me a sign if I'm supposed to take this job, the new sign came up and it was a big sign of a. It was a picture of a fish and. And the head of the. The new organisation that I was anticipating going to was named Fish. And so I thought that was my sign to leave. Leave the job. It was actually a. You'll laugh at this one. It was a job in banking and I lasted four days in banking after I Took that job because. So the first day on the job, the trainer was out, so some out sick or something, and they had a different trainer come in and told us all the ways that a bank could be robbed. And so that was my first day, so. And then my second day was training with somebody who'd been in banking their whole life. And so I was supposed to be the manager and she came in and was outshining me and. But really what put me over the edge was they were going to make me wear a sweater vest with a white shirt for the rest of my life. And I was in the parking lot crying, saying, I can't wear. I don't look good in sweater vests. I can't wear a sweater vest for the rest of my life. And so that's why I ended up leaving the job, because of the sweater vest. Well, that was a sign, wasn't it? It was. It was a sign. Yeah. You look in the mirror, you're in a sweater vest going, Joanne Lockwood: that's not my vision. Exactly. And it led me to Janet Tanguay: this wonderful career as a, you know, a business strategist and dream maker and creative catalyst. So. Yeah, yeah. Joanne Lockwood: So in the show notes, and we're talking about in the green room, you've worked with people from all demographics and backgrounds, some people from marginalised communities. I guess, given your. Your heritage of your family heritage, you work with communities that aren't in the majority. Often people's visions must be different. You know, not everybody wants to be a millionaire, do they? Some people want health or happiness. What do they look like? Janet Tanguay: Yeah, that's such an important point. So, you know, I've learned lots of lessons over the years and I think the one that for me was the most just telling and that I really became sensitive to was we were working in an organisation with the staff of an organisation that helped the unhoused. And so we went into it and I always bring lots of travel magazines into these workshops and glorious houses and, you know, all sorts of things. Architectural Digest and, you know, Conde Nast travel magazines. And so what happened at the end of it was that when they shared their vision boards, they were showing pictures of food and pictures of chairs and couches and things from the furniture magazines, but there was no travel anywhere on any of the boards. The travel magazine sat untouched. And so from that point forward, I really made an effort to know my audience and dive deeper into who are these people and what are their dreams and goals before I enter the room, just like we did. You talked to me before. I Came on the podcast. Right. Sort of take a deeper dive and always know who am I audience is. So we've worked with neurodiverse communities, we've worked with LGBTQ communities, we've worked. One of the things that I bring into some of the places that I work with, instead of post award, I bring in cake boxes because not everyone wants to share their dreams with people so that people can show what they want to show through the clear top of the cake box and then not show whatever else. It's also three dimensional, so they can put different, different things in there. And we've worked with, you know, the formerly incarcerated, currently incarcerated and then high, high net worth women. So it's really across the board. Again, everyone has some sort of genes but their dream. You're absolutely right. The dreams are, are different for different, different. The messages that came through on one of the boards, we worked with a group of teens during the pandemic and they were in the foster care system and they put lots of pictures of fashion and fast cars and, you know, it was, it was mostly boys. And when it came time for them to share their boards in very, very, very tiny print, it said, I survived my childhood. And I don't think his peers saw it, but certainly the leaders in the group. And I saw it again, it was virtual, so it was. I had a chance to see it up close where maybe other people didn't. And so again, really impactful work. When you see messaging coming through like. That as you're speaking now and thinking Joanne Lockwood: this is like a very visual representation of Basso's hierarchy of needs, isn't it? This is when you're, when you're actually doing holidays and aspirational type dreams, you're right at the top of that self actualisation, whereas if you're, you've got pictures of food safety, you're right there. And that's a real indication of where these people are in their lives. Absolutely. Really gives you an insight as to how you can motivate them, how you can talk to, how to communicate. Because you're right, you've got to read the room. And this vision board allows you to really see where people are at and then you can meet them there. That's really powerful. Yeah, yeah, it really, yeah. Like I said, we've got Janet Tanguay: all sorts of, you know, opportunity to work with people and people with an ability difference. Right. You have to make sure that they can access whatever it is you're bringing, poster board that they can reach if it, you know, and all of that so we, like I said, we've learned lots of lessons and also to bring in. I really want people to see themselves in. In the magazines that I bring. So to find magazines so that people can see themselves in all ways is. Is. Can be challenging. Right. So sometimes I have them bring their own photos but I. I chase magazines far and wide to try to make sure that I get them from. From all places. And now I'm seeing a little bit on, you know, Amazon has. Has books to. Specifically for, you know, people of colour and certain, you know, demographics. You can find specific vision boarding books just for. For other people. So yeah, Joanne Lockwood: of course you've got tools like Canva and other platforms where you could probably generate imagery. Absolutely. And virtually. It's easy. Yeah, it is. AI can generate some stuff as well for you now. Yes, yeah, Janet Tanguay: yeah. So sometimes I bring loose. Sometimes I create those in advance and I'll print them out just from, you know, so. So that I bring loose images. It doesn't always have to come from a magazine. Magazines are hard to find these days. They're expensive on the newsstand. I got lucky because my nephew works for a magazine company, so sometimes I get them from him. But yeah, Joanne Lockwood: yeah, I suppose things like dentists and doctors, they create all the coffee tables away during COVID and never put them back. They did. It's Janet Tanguay: really true. Yeah. Libraries sometimes give them away at the end and there's a few places out there. And again, we make an effort to go into certain groups, associations sometimes have magazines for their members and so we make a wide effort to reach out. Yeah, Joanne Lockwood: we went digital quite quickly, didn't we? We did. As soon as we couldn't give a magazine out, we stopped doing them. Yeah. So again, going back to the way you're engaging with some of the, I hate the word marginalised communities, that sounds so. So crass, doesn't it? It's not, it's not what I'm trying to say. You know, people who are voiceless, unheard, people who maybe don't have the same opportunities as others. What is it, what is it about. I was going to say them. I mean that again is stereotyping, is creating a group. What are common paths that come out? You talked about that. Their needs and their visions are more day to day, more immediate. But what are the common themes in terms of their hopes and aspirations then? Is there a common theme that comes out? Yeah, I think family is really important Janet Tanguay: to them, whatever family means to them. And different kinds of families. Right. And I will say money usually makes the board. Because most of us need a little bit of that to survive. No matter what what it is. The amounts are different. I sometimes have them put amounts. Everyone when I say them all the, you know, all of my clients put amounts of money. So I get specific with them and it is. It is very different for. For different groups. Some people are putting millions and some people are putting thousands and hundreds. Right. So. So that. That stands out sometimes health is. Is also something that I think is. Is pretty common for. For everyone. It's a common. Common. So those three things would be similar. Glancing through your show notes Joanne Lockwood: and what you wrote earlier and a little bit at the bottom just snuck in there. You own a record label? I do, I do, yeah. I just Janet Tanguay: started one. It's Tangway Productions and I produced my first record called Smell the Rain with Jay Ariel and Robert Frederick. Bob knew I had a dream of I write lyrics and he knew that that was one of my dreams. And he's a musician and he said, you want play around and see what we come up with. And so he helped me write the first version of it and then I wanted it to be a little more. More R and B and. And so we brought in Jaya Rael and she beautifully put something together and. And we have this beautiful record now called Smell the Rain. And my second record is in the works and if I could describe it to you, it is almost duelling instruments, so starting out chaotic and then becoming something beautiful at the end, which is kind of, I'm hoping where our world is going right now. I don't love that we're in chaos, but I'm hoping it anyway. So that's sort of the theory of it. And so we're bringing together lots of different musicians to do that. Is that a bit like Devil Came Joanne Lockwood: Down To Georgia? Sort of like you got the violin and sort of like giving it a bit of a duel sort of thing. Yeah, bit of a violin going on. Bit of a. Bit of a drum. Yeah. A call and response sort of Janet Tanguay: thing. Right. That starts out maybe as an argument and you know, not nice and then. But the. What we're trying to work out right now is will people even list if we start out in chaos? Right. So we're not quite sure about it, but it's evolving. So yeah, I Joanne Lockwood: listen to. Indirectly. I listen to a lot of puppy music. So we've got a young puppy and we found all these playlists on Apple Music. So we create all these. This playlist of puppy music, you know, with fireworks in it and all These Anxiety Anti Anxiety tracks. And I've listened to some really kind of. It's actually more like spa music. It's really nice. We even play it at night now. It's great. So I can imagine some of this sort of. Some of the things you're talking about there would fit well into this sort of puppy music. So, yeah, maybe. Maybe you don't need humans to listen to this. Maybe you could just. You could find it. Find an outlet. I love Janet Tanguay: that. I'm gonna. Right after this, I'm gonna go listen to puppy music. That's great. I love that. Thank you. You wouldn't believe how many albums there are about Joanne Lockwood: puppy music. Anti Anxiety this, Anti Anxiety that. I mean, there's one artist that has like, I don't know, 40 albums and playlists and things, and it's like. It's fascinating. It doesn't work the same way for cats. I'm Janet Tanguay: more of a cat person. So is it. Does it work the same way for cats? But as a puppy owner and not a cat owner, I've never searched Joanne Lockwood: for cats. You might find this one for budgery guards and cockatoos and fish. That's great. I love it. Janet Tanguay: Inclusive music for all animals. You talk Joanne Lockwood: about owning a record label. Tell me a bit more about this. Because I've just seen the Bruce Springsteen movie and he's in a recording studio. So I've got this image of an eight track or him, you know, him ideating his hotel room. Was it his hotel room? He's got his little echo machine on and then they're in the studio and they've got these people in this traditional. Is that. Is that what you've got? You've got one of those studios? Exactly right. In fact, I had to look really closely to see is that Janet Tanguay: the studio that we. That we, you know, produced the music. And it was that similar. So, yeah, you basically, the engineers are who puts it together in the end. So you have this vision and it's a lot of iterations. It just. It was a creative process which I loved. Again, I wear lots of creative hats. I'm a mixed media artist and an author. But this music for me was so fun to put put together because I play a little bit of piano and I understand a little bit of music, but I really needed a lot of musicians to help me. It was so collaborative and I didn't know all the players. So sometimes the engineer would recommend somebody in their network and we'd bring in a saxophonist and they weren't quite understanding what I was Trying to do. And so the second one just got it right. And so, yeah, so it was really a creative process to get everybody on board to understand the. The vision of. Of what I wanted it to be in. In the end. So it was, you know, and it's always one of these things when you're an artist. When is it ready? Is it ever finished? Right. So there's always one more thing that you could do. But so. But when it's. When it's ready and you can. You can ask, you know, Amazon Music or Spotify to play it. It's pretty cool. I love that. I Joanne Lockwood: love that if I've put some things on my vision board, I would have a saxophone on there somewhere, because that's always been an instrument. I thought it'd be really cool to play something, you know, don't play a lot. Just maybe the riff out of Baker street or something like that. Just something out of that. Just so you can. You're at a party, you're with a load of friends and there's a sax in the corner. You go, do you mind? Can I. They go, yeah, sure, whatever. And you blast out a bit of that and go, thanks. And just put it down and walk away and just leave everybody in silence. It's really true. So Janet Tanguay: that's funny that you say that, because I started out playing piano and so it was pretty easily easy to translate the notes to the saxophone. The hard part when you don't play a wind instrument is the mouthpiece. Right. To learn all of that was more difficult for me. So I. Yeah, so I loved playing and I could play. I could. I knew I was playing the correct notes. But getting the breath work right and all that is the biggest challenge. Do you play any other? No, I don't. No. I Joanne Lockwood: learned. My granddad taught me Three Blind Mice on the piano and bar. Bar Black Sheep only. Only about. So I'm being very visual here. This is an audio podcast. I only learned about 10 or 15 notes, you know, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And if ever I see a piano in a shopping centre or something like that, I go and do Three Blow Mice. Or I do Ba Ba Black Sheep. That's it. That's me. Yeah. I'm not musical at all. It didn't trigger my brain as something that I could learn. I tried the recorder and like everybody does at school. Recorder, right. Never progressed past London's Burning. I don't know if you did that in the States, right? Yeah, Yeah. I live with musical instruments. Janet Tanguay: I have a Xylophone and drums and Tibetan bowls and so they're always here when I need sound, just to play a little bit of it. So I don't know that you absolutely need to be a musician to do that stuff. It just. I love music. Yeah, it's nice to have it. I think you said Joanne Lockwood: earlier, what would you do if you, you know, would you carry on doing what you do if you had it didn't need to work? And I think I'd love the opportunity to explore my, my lack of musicality and become a bit more musical, you know. That's great. Yeah. I heard, I heard once someone say that everybody can learn to sing and I'd like to prove them wrong. I can't. Or prove myself wrong. I can. I agree. Janet Tanguay: Everyone has a creative, creative bone, right. Everyone has creativity in them. It's just a matter of drawing it out. I trained as an express art expressive artist at Glass Lake Studio, which is affiliated with a European graduate school in South Bay, Switzerland, and just learned all sorts of things about myself and how we're all really creative, you know, and we get stuck in that, oh, I have to do things a certain way. And so you really don't. You can close your eyes and draw with your non dominant hand and you're going to make something and then, you know, can evolve into something wonderful. So. Yeah, yeah. Again we mentioned Dicky Guy earlier and finding Joanne Lockwood: what you love. And I suppose what, what I found was that I had this inner. I wanted to be a rock star, Susie Quattro or something like that. But you know, back in my youth I wanted to be on there, tight leathers, guitar, really strumming it out. I was a big fan of people like David Coverdale and the Deep Purple and those sort of rock bands of the 70s and 80s. I think I always wanted to be that person, but I didn't play the instrument, didn't sing. I wasn't really musical. I was probably more too into computers and logic than I was creativity. But then I found professional speaking and standing on stage and it suddenly really tweaked on me. I've got a microphone in my hand or kit to my lapel. I've now got an audience, I've now wooing people and they're leaning in and they're excited. I've got fan girls out there and fanboys out there and this. I thought, wow. I found my stage in a different way and it's. That's great. Yeah. So next time Janet Tanguay: you're there, maybe, maybe sing a tune, right. Just Test the waters. Right now. I do karaoke. And yeah, it's, Joanne Lockwood: I'm one of these people that doesn't mind singing. I don't, I've got no problem singing. It's just whether you've got a problem listening is the issue. Janet Tanguay: That's funny. Well, that's what I mean. I think that's the message in this. I'm in the same boat. I can't even sing the Happy Birthday song correctly and on a record label. Right. So I don't think it matters. It's whatever you hear and whatever you want to build and create and so you don't have to be the one to do the actual work sometimes. Yeah. So Joanne Lockwood: tell me more about the work you do. Let's dive a bit deeper into the end, into what brings you joy and happiness. The super connector stuff and the way you've built your business up and getting funding for everybody. Dive a bit deeper in that. Yeah. So I love building bridges between Janet Tanguay: people, between all sorts of people. Right. I just see sometimes when I meet with people, I'm like, oh, they could benefit from that. Some people don't like to do that. Some people, when I sometimes ask for connections, some people just like, no, they're in my world and you can't have them. Right. Whatever. And so I, yeah, right. They're all mine. I'm not like that. I like to share my ideas, my thoughts, my friends. You know, if, if I can help somebody else in some way connect with someone who, who might benefit them, we're all better for it. So that's what I, that's what I love to do. And I, I, I'm a visionary. I'm not so good at the details. Sometimes I will say I need to surround myself with people that are really good with details because I can see the big picture. And sometimes I, I need, I need help with those, those details. So I do something called circle of influence or mind mapping or treasure mapping, they call it. And that helps me visually figure out where my networks are and how I can connect different people. They say sometimes. Do you know who Kevin Bacon is? Do you know that actor? Well, the actor, yeah. The guy that went bust and ended up Joanne Lockwood: doing TV adverts, maybe. Yeah. Six degrees of Kevin Bacon, they say. So sometimes Janet Tanguay: in my networks they say six degrees of Janet Tangway. So, so I'd like to be able to connect people, and I like to play that game, how many people till I can connect with this, this other person. Right. So, but that's what I love to do. And I think it helps people. Like I said, it somehow always comes back to me whether. I mean, that's not my intention. But lately, the older I get, I noticed that that happens more often when. You talk about the six Joanne Lockwood: degrees of separation and those sort of things. I mean, I knew someone really well who knew Boris Johnson. If you know Boris Johnson, then Boris Johnson knows Barack Obama, knows this person, knows that. So it's quite tenuous to say I'm three removed from Barack Obama because there's no way I could get a message from person B to person C to person D. Even though I'm at six degrees of separation, I've got no influence in that sphere. So it's trying to work out. It's not just your connection or potential connections, it's your actual credibility of connections. And it's the hard bit. Janet Tanguay: Yeah. And it's also not. I mean, I think one of the things that's really important is to not use those connection for personal gain. Right. Like it's genuine. Like nobody wants to connect me because they know I'm going to take care of that relationship and not take advantage of it. Right. So my hair stylist won an Oscar for the movie the Whale, and so she knows a lot of actors, but I'm not going to take advantage of that, you know, because our relationship is more important to me than whatever it is this other relationship is. Right. So it's nurturing, talking makeup Joanne Lockwood: artists. I did a. A TV documentary in the UK and documentary. We had a photo shoot towards the end and they hired an mua, and it later transpired the. My MUA on the day is this personal stylist for Joan Collins and he often posts pictures of himself with Joan Collins on his Instagram and everything else. And I thought, wow, you know, my stylist does Joan Collins as well. You know, it's kind of a. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it's hard to find what's important to you. Sometimes people, I mean, Janet Tanguay: network, they don't care. Like if they're not into the movies, they don't really care. Right. About that stuff. So. But if people, you know, like film and video and all that, then they. Then they care about it. So it really depends on, you know, what's important. Maybe a sports figure would be more important. Right. So, yeah, I think it's nice to know people who. Joanne Lockwood: Who know people as well. It's because they. They have storeys, they have. They have depth in their life. I mean, I was. I'm always fascinated to meet people and hear what's going on in their life. And I'm one of the people that will go to a conference and I'll spend all the time talking to people who are doing the waiting or the serving the food or clearing up. And so, yes, and have chats with them and they're going to be. Why are you talking to me for? I said, well, because you're probably more interested than half the people in the room. Absolutely, yeah, yeah. Get to know people. Janet Tanguay: Those are the people with, yeah, interesting storeys and. Yeah, a hundred percent. Joanne Lockwood: There's one conference I went to and they hired some graffiti artists and they created a graffiti wall. And it wasn't just random words or anything like that, it was basically spraying. They had a, a plan and you, what they do is you can go out there and grab your spray can and fill in some segments or some gaps. And I just spent hours talking to these graffiti artists about their life and how they, they are proper London graffiti artists who spray walls and do all these sort of things and really get to know about their tags and their networks and all this. And they're showing me their Instagram and all their work they're doing. Have you had them Janet Tanguay: on the box? I came away from that conference, I was fascinated with all this Joanne Lockwood: stuff. Yeah, it was brilliant. That's great. I think my talk in the day was later on and I was on stage and I referred to. I think I talked to people. So how many people in this room talk to people they don't know? How many people talk to people who are different to them? I said, how many people have had a conversation with a graffiti artist? Everyone's like, no, I said, I did. They're fascinating. Absolutely fascinating people. Janet Tanguay: Yeah. That's how you learn, that's how you evolve, is by learning from other people and other. Right, yeah, I agree. We get stuck in our Joanne Lockwood: little bubbles, don't we? And that's. This is the issue now. You're talking about being a super connector, linking people from different cultures and generations. And you can only do that if you, if you're interested in people. Absolutely, yeah. Janet Tanguay: Sitting, sitting at a conference with people that might not look like you. Right. Or again, just even in your day to day routine, going to a different coffee shop every day, going to a different part of town and, you know, parking somewhere different and, you know, exercising in a different gym or whatever. Just getting to know people from a different perspective. To me it's enlightening, it's refreshing. It makes me a better person just by understanding who's around me. Joanne Lockwood: I Like to play with my own biases sometimes. And if I walk into a coffee shop or I walk into a restaurant or setting on a bus or a train, something goes into my head saying, I don't want to sit next to that person. I want to sit next to this person. I almost test myself. I go, why don't I want to sit next to them? What is wrong? Or what have I decided isn't right about that person? And I play with myself and go, okay, I've got a bias. I've clearly decided in my head where right and wrong is. I play with it. I don't necessarily change my mind, but I want to challenge myself as to why I did that. I love that. Yeah, Janet Tanguay: because we all have implicit bias, no matter if we think we don't. Right. So I love that. I'm going to play with that now, too, if you don't mind. I'm going to say if it happens next time in that situation. And Joanne Lockwood: I found myself making different choices, you know, sitting in a restaurant, you know, at a conference, you know, I will seek out someone who's sat on their own, or I'll see out some random person who. And I just go, I would never have a conversation with you. Just, hi, how are you? Just, I often start the same way. Which part of the world are you from? How has it taken you far to travel today? It's a really easy question that anyone can answer. Yeah. And then to see what happens. Yeah. It's interesting that, that Janet Tanguay: you bring that up, because I've been doing a lot of virtual work lately because I'm connecting with people internationally and, and I'm attending these networking groups, and they, they put you into little smaller groups. And I keep finding with many of them that I'm ending up with women my age who wear glasses. Right. And so here we are again. I know, right? It's true. It's true. And so, and, and I'm delighted to be here, but in those groups, I'm wondering, the more I'm in them, if. If they're putting us together on purpose, because I would love to meet other people that don't necessarily look like me. Right. And so I'm fine with the way I look. I just would like to meet a lot of different people. And so it's curious to me about whether it is really random and they're just pushing a button and we're ending in the rooms together or they're putting demographics together. So as I explore that further, I'm going to dive deeper and talk to the leaders to find out how that's done. You need a pink wig or something. You can sort of. There you go. Show up in disguise next time. That's great. Oh, yeah, I love that. A Groucho Joanne Lockwood: mask. Marks with glasses and moustache and something. Just. Janet Tanguay: Why I do these things. So this is good. This is good. Suggestions and Crazy Joanne Lockwood: lady in room three, right? Yeah. I love that. It's wonderful. But, I mean, since I. Yeah. I did transition, what, 10, 12 years ago, and I've made far more real people than I've ever met in my life before. I don't know if it's me or if it's them, but I just attract people who are different these days, and that's great. Fantastic world. Janet Tanguay: Yeah. The first job I ever had was working for a transgender woman. And it was wonderful. And this was in the 80s. Joanne Lockwood: Wow. Yeah. Wow. Really, really great experience. A real. A real elder of the community out and. Yes, absolutely. Yes. Yeah. And Janet Tanguay: taught me so much. I was in. I was working in film and video at the time and learned a tremendous amount about it. I'm not technical at all, by the way, so we could be collaborative because I'm techn. Technically challenged, but I. I did learn a lot and it was a great experience. And so. Yeah, awesome, awesome. Yeah, Joanne Lockwood: it's. Yeah, it's wild. Sometimes I think in my old life, I just went safe, I just went easy. I just. Did you say that affinity bias, that kind of visit bias we have about people who are different to us? Oh, it's like. And I think maybe it's the marginalisation that you experience yourself. You become kindred spirits with other people who are. Janet Tanguay: Yeah, yeah. That could be rejected by society, for want of a better phrase. Yeah, yeah. And it's just not listening to other people. You know, I always give the example of, you know, my. My mom, when I was growing up, loved country music. And so every time Barbra Streisand came on the radio, she'd say, she's screechy. Whoop. And she would change the. Change the radio. Right. Change the station. And so makes beautiful music. Which I learned as an adult. Right. Somebody said, no, you need to sit down and listen. She's beautiful. It's beautiful. And so listen to every single album. And so just, you know, not believing what other people say and. And not. And just getting to know people is so important because if you take the time. It's really taking the time to get to know people. You learn so much. Joanne Lockwood: Yeah. It's strange, isn't it? When. When you live to our age, our white old age was 60ish. A lot of our childhood artists are now passing away. And there was. I can't remember the cheque yesterday. Pass away. The. The black singer. An actor, can't remember his name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you suddenly. You suddenly become re. Rekindling their relationship with these singers the day they pass away. I wish I got into them. I should have been into them earlier and really enjoyed their music. But it takes their passing for you. To be reminded of it, Janet Tanguay: right? Yeah. Because we're just all so busy and I think that's part of it too. People are just busy in their own again routines and patterns that they're not getting out of their comfort zone to go meet other people and. Yeah, well. And Joanne Lockwood: Taylor Swift's knocking out music every day, so you got to keep up with her, her catalogue. It's not easy. It's not easy to chuck out 20 tracks on a Sunday night or something. You think? Gotta absorb those. Yeah. I can't keep up with the. The seventies anymore, but I was. I discovered Barry Manilow probably about five or six years ago. I was going through this, I would say melancholy phase, but just a real deep sort of, kind of. Yeah. And I just started listening to Barry Manilow and I thought, wow, there's some really great stuff in here. 20 years ago I would have gone Barry Manilow near that. Lived very. My whole Janet Tanguay: teen angst period was all about Barry Manilow. So I think I know every song that he ever wrote. Yeah, some of them are really, really Joanne Lockwood: deep and some of the vocals and some of the words. I think it's incredibly powerful words. I think we lose a lot of that sometimes. You know, it's too busy dancing to it or doing whatever we're doing. Not enough to just put your headphones in and on and just to listen to the words. Yeah, yeah. Janet Tanguay: The lyrics are so important sometimes, but you write it. Other things, you know, shine brighter. Yeah, yeah. I suppose having it. Joanne Lockwood: Having a new puppy. I've got an opportunity now just to put. Generally just go for random playlists on Apple and I just say the mix that today's mix or whatever it is. And some of it's modern, some of it's old, but yeah, it's really nice to just get hit with something different because I think that's the difference between music you pick and then radio. Radio, you get what they give you. And that's very eclectic sometimes. Obviously the DJ is going to put their eclectic mix on whatever their genre is, but Sometimes you hear songs you haven't heard for years and I think listen to a popular music that covers our age group, whatever that may be. You get a broad range from the 60s all the way through to the current. And yeah, I think it's lovely. Again, that randomness. So what's the top of your vision board right now then? What's the thing that. What's at the Janet Tanguay: top? Yeah, for mine it's global influencer. So. And it's funny because I don't like to be on stages like you. I don't have a podcast and I don't, I don't speak in front of people. And so, but I, but I do write and I do things in my. My own way and, and I really, I feel like I have some messaging, so I am writing my memoir and, and it has some funny storeys in there about my childhood and, and lessons learned and it's about business and dreams and all of that. So. So I really, I want to learn about other cultures in a much deeper way. So that's my, my next iteration. That's the what Joanne Lockwood: and the why is the joy is. Yeah, Janet Tanguay: yeah, yeah. And actually, joy, you asked what was at the top of my board? The word joy is at the top of my board also. So I want to always have that around me. Yeah. And what's the picture of? Oh, it's the word. The word. The joy is a word. Just the word joy. The joy is the word. Yeah, I'm a word. I'm trying to think if I have. Pictures are typically travel. That's what I have on the board for pictures of places. But for other things I have mostly words and affirmations and things like that. It's strange, as I was asking you that question Joanne Lockwood: and saying, what's your picture at the top? I was thinking, what's my picture at the top of my board? I've no idea. No idea. I've often used the word freedom as a goal. And what I mean by freedom is freedom, a choice to choose about whatever I want. So enough, sufficient money, sufficient wealth, sufficient family, sufficient whatever it may be, so that I have freedom of choice to do whatever I want to do. I think that's probably the word I'm looking for. And that's not gluttony, that's efficiency based. Absolutely. So I'd be curious to see Janet Tanguay: what image you could find to represent that. I mean, words are fine. You can do words or images. But I would be curious to know what images you could find around that word. I always used to talk about. Joanne Lockwood: And this is a part of my life, I suppose I used three zones. One was a cage, one was a safari park and one was the Serengeti in Africa. And it was about not living in a cage, living by someone else's permission, doing as you're told. You have no agency, no nothing. And I didn't want to be in the wild where I was under threat from having to find my own food and alligators and being eaten, all this kind of stuff. I wanted to find a safari park where I was living with other creatures within the bounds of a rule set, fences. But there's no dangerous animals in there. People would come and feed me, I had sufficient this and I would never be dragged off into the cage or never be thrown out into the dark. So the safari part was my model of how I wanted to exist in the world. Know the rules, know the limits, know the boundaries, but never find the fence. But you know, they're there somewhere. So that, that's my definition of freedom really is not living in a cage by someone else's permission or not being anarchic and living in a wild. Right, right, right. But interesting Janet Tanguay: that there is a fence there at all. So you're not living. Yeah, Joanne Lockwood: fences make, you know, good fences make good neighbours, you know. Absolutely. Yeah. But you live in a society that has rules and rule sets. So which are the fences? But if the rules don't impact me, because I. I'm quite happy to stay with. As long as I stay within six feet inside the fence, I never notice the fence. It's when I want to push them, they don't work for me. So if I can find a safari part where I don't notice the fences, that. That's got to be freedom, hasn't it? Yeah. Janet Tanguay: That's beautiful. I love that. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah, Joanne Lockwood: I think so, I think so. That's a memory I had going through difficult times in my life where I was, I suppose, living by other people's permission, other people's rule sets, other people's control and being told what I could and couldn't do. And I think that's why I was always. I've written a blog about it, finding my safari park. And that's what it's about, finding that place where I can live without being answerable on a day by day basis. Just understand the rules. Janet Tanguay: I would love to see a vision board around this. Yeah, yeah, just, just having that vision, see it, seeing it visually, you know. Yeah. Well, who knows? Who knows? Joanne Lockwood: Maybe. Maybe I've got lots of blogs. Lots of blogs. So. Okay, maybe what I'll do is I'll. I'll feed them into AI and say, make sense of that, please. Yeah, absolutely. Copy the images there. I love that. Yeah, yeah. I've never, I've never really got into the vision board thing, but now, now we have this great conversation. I'm going to definitely. Yeah. Well, I think I'll do it with my business first because my wife is my business partner and we've actually got planning sessions scheduled in for Friday to talk about our marketing goals and where we're going to take things. So that's. That's probably a good idea to. So I'm going to give you another. Another little Janet Tanguay: secret tool that I use in my vision boarding that I think you would have fun with since you like music, is that I use an app called Suno. There's another one called Create. And when you're finished with your vision or you're bored in some way, you ask Suno to pick a genre and then put your dream in there, whatever it is, and it creates a beautiful song about your vision and it's really fun. Oh, okay. That's beautiful. Yeah, I Joanne Lockwood: like that. Yeah. All right. Suno. S U N O S u Janet Tanguay: N O. Yeah. Yeah. And again, there may be other apps, but that's the one I really like a lot. And people are blown away when it, when they. At the end of my vision board sessions, when they. They have this song created for them around their vision. So there's other AI tools that we're using now too, so that are really, really fun putting your own images and into the vision board and all sorts of things. I just Joanne Lockwood: keyed it into Google and someone cheated and inserted a paid out of top cool, which wasn't suno. So. Yeah. Suno.com. Okay. Suno. Make a house song about quitting your job. Yeah, right. Exactly. Anything you want. Yeah, yeah. Janet Tanguay: It's really, really fun. I do that. Do it for friends for their birthdays and things like that. And so you can create. The more you put, the better language you put in, the better the song is coming out. So take some time with it and you can really create some fun things. Oh, I just found something really Joanne Lockwood: cool in it. You can separate the stems as well. I often go to Epidemic Sounds and find these tunes and then just strip out the drum track. So I really love just the tribalism of drums going away. Janet Tanguay: Yeah. So, yeah, I could, I could definitely Joanne Lockwood: come up with something and then just strip out the drums. You're so technical. You Janet Tanguay: go right to the technology. That's great. Yeah, beautiful, Joanne Lockwood: right? Hey, I've got something to play with now. I'm going to feed my blog into that later. Yeah, I can't wait. Janet, it's been amazing. We could yak on for hours. I'm sure. And it's a good job I'm not too close to you. Otherwise I'd be driving up and spending an afternoon. Janet Tanguay: Anytime you're here, feel free to stop by. So it's been a pleasure. Joanne Lockwood: So how can. How can our listener get hold of you? Sure. So My Janet Tanguay: website is hammockwayoflife.com and I'm on Amazon under my name, Janet Tanguay. You can find all my books there. I just created a new journal there about visioning. I'm on LinkedIn as Jazzy Jan. And on Facebook and Instagram is Hammock Wave Life as well. Watch for my books, Unstoppable Women in Business. There's an anthology. I have a chapter in that book. I have a chapter in Inspiration to Success. Excuse me. And my. The new book is going to be called Hammock Way of Life. That's my memoir, Love that. I'm going to. I'm going to Joanne Lockwood: look that up now. And Tanguay is spelled T A N G U A Y for anyone who is looking to find you or Jazzy Jan sounds easier. Jazzy Jan is easier. Yes. Yes. Janet Tanguay: Janetanguay is on Amazon and I have some children's books, too. One of them is about being who you want to be when you grow up. It's called Be Be. That one might also be relevant, too. The other one is called Dust Bunnies Don't Eat Carrots. But you have to order that one from my website. I love that it's about big names. I love that. Maybe I need to read that children's book Joanne Lockwood: because I still haven't figured out who I want to be when I grow up. I'm still working. Right? We all haven't. I think sometimes we all haven't. Right. You're Janet Tanguay: still. We're all in growth mode. Janet, it's been absolutely fantastic. Thank you so Joanne Lockwood: much. I agree. This is fun. 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